rezession möglich? nyt
erstaunlich das plötzlich immer öfter über ne mögliche rezession gesprochen wird. habe bis zum mai und juni kaum mal word rezession zu sehen bekommen.
Intimations of Recession, by Paul Krugman, Commentary, A Recession?, NY Times:
These are the dog days of summer, but there’s a chill in the air. Suddenly — really just in the last few weeks — people have starting talking seriously about a possible recession. And it’s not just economists who seem worried. Goldman Sachs recently reported that the confidence of chief executives ... has plunged... On the face of it, this loss of faith seems strange. Recent growth and jobs numbers have been disappointing, but not disastrous.
But economic numbers ... always have to be interpreted as part of a story. And the latest numbers, while not that bad taken out of context, seem inconsistent with the stories optimists were telling about the U.S. economy.
The key point is that the forces that caused a recession five years ago never went away. Business spending hasn’t really recovered from the slump it went into after the technology bubble burst... Also, the trade deficit has doubled since 2000, diverting a lot of demand away from goods produced in the United States.
Nonetheless, the economy grew fairly fast over the last three years, mainly thanks to a gigantic housing boom. This boom led directly to unprecedented spending on home construction. It also allowed consumers to convert rising home values into cash ... so that ... spending could run far ahead of ... incomes...
Even optimists generally concede that the housing boom must eventually end... But the conventional wisdom was that housing would have a “soft landing”... You might say that the theory was that business investment and exports would stand up as housing stood down.
The latest numbers suggest, however, that this theory isn’t working much better on the economic front than it is in Baghdad. ... Now, for the first time, problems in the housing market are starting to seriously reduce economic growth: the latest ... data show real residential investment falling at an accelerating pace..., falling employment in home construction, and [falling] retail employment ... suggesting that consumer spending is running out of steam. (Gas at $3 a gallon doesn’t help...) ...
Now maybe we’ll still manage that soft landing despite a rapidly rising number of unsold houses; or maybe there’s a boom in business investment and/or exports just over the horizon. But based on what we know now, there’s an economic slowdown coming.
This slowdown might not be sharp enough to be formally declared a recession. But weak growth feels like a recession to most people; remember the long “jobless recovery” that followed the official end of the 2001 recession?
And what will policy makers do about a slump, if it happens? A snarky but accurate description of monetary policy over the past five years is that the Federal Reserve successfully replaced the technology bubble with a housing bubble. But where will the Fed find another bubble? (die mutter aller fragen!)
And with the budget still deep in deficit and the costs of the Iraq war still spiraling upward, it’s hard to see Congress agreeing on any significant fiscal stimulus package — especially because history suggests that the Bush administration and Congressional leaders will turn any debate about how to help the economy into yet another attempt to smuggle in tax cuts for the wealthy.
One last thing: the real wages of most workers fell during the “Bush boom” of the last three years. If that boom, such as it was, is already over, workers have every right to ask, “Is that it?”
gruß
jan-martin
Intimations of Recession, by Paul Krugman, Commentary, A Recession?, NY Times:
These are the dog days of summer, but there’s a chill in the air. Suddenly — really just in the last few weeks — people have starting talking seriously about a possible recession. And it’s not just economists who seem worried. Goldman Sachs recently reported that the confidence of chief executives ... has plunged... On the face of it, this loss of faith seems strange. Recent growth and jobs numbers have been disappointing, but not disastrous.
But economic numbers ... always have to be interpreted as part of a story. And the latest numbers, while not that bad taken out of context, seem inconsistent with the stories optimists were telling about the U.S. economy.
The key point is that the forces that caused a recession five years ago never went away. Business spending hasn’t really recovered from the slump it went into after the technology bubble burst... Also, the trade deficit has doubled since 2000, diverting a lot of demand away from goods produced in the United States.
Nonetheless, the economy grew fairly fast over the last three years, mainly thanks to a gigantic housing boom. This boom led directly to unprecedented spending on home construction. It also allowed consumers to convert rising home values into cash ... so that ... spending could run far ahead of ... incomes...
Even optimists generally concede that the housing boom must eventually end... But the conventional wisdom was that housing would have a “soft landing”... You might say that the theory was that business investment and exports would stand up as housing stood down.
The latest numbers suggest, however, that this theory isn’t working much better on the economic front than it is in Baghdad. ... Now, for the first time, problems in the housing market are starting to seriously reduce economic growth: the latest ... data show real residential investment falling at an accelerating pace..., falling employment in home construction, and [falling] retail employment ... suggesting that consumer spending is running out of steam. (Gas at $3 a gallon doesn’t help...) ...
Now maybe we’ll still manage that soft landing despite a rapidly rising number of unsold houses; or maybe there’s a boom in business investment and/or exports just over the horizon. But based on what we know now, there’s an economic slowdown coming.
This slowdown might not be sharp enough to be formally declared a recession. But weak growth feels like a recession to most people; remember the long “jobless recovery” that followed the official end of the 2001 recession?
And what will policy makers do about a slump, if it happens? A snarky but accurate description of monetary policy over the past five years is that the Federal Reserve successfully replaced the technology bubble with a housing bubble. But where will the Fed find another bubble? (die mutter aller fragen!)
And with the budget still deep in deficit and the costs of the Iraq war still spiraling upward, it’s hard to see Congress agreeing on any significant fiscal stimulus package — especially because history suggests that the Bush administration and Congressional leaders will turn any debate about how to help the economy into yet another attempt to smuggle in tax cuts for the wealthy.
One last thing: the real wages of most workers fell during the “Bush boom” of the last three years. If that boom, such as it was, is already over, workers have every right to ask, “Is that it?”
gruß
jan-martin
4 Comments:
besten dank. dürftetst damit der erste angemeldete sein.
bin selbständig und verdiene mein geld an der börse. in der regel kopiere ich ja die von mir eh gelesenen berichte. hast aber recht. heute ist besonders viel action.
ich sehe als konsequenz der so "intelligenten medien" kein cnbc und auch kein bloomberg mehr. fox konnte ich zum glück nie empfangen. hätte ich wohl auch keine 5 minten ausgehalten......
die denke der leute will mir auch nicht in den kopf. gerade nach den erfahrungen der nasdagbubble. ich habe dort teuer lehrgeld zahlen müssen. schieben das aber auf mein damals noch jungens alter (anfang 20). wie allerdings studierte und quer durch alle altersklassen so tief drinnen stecken jagt mir schauer über den rücken.
wenn du aus californien kommst solltets du dir wenn noch nicht geschehen im archiv unbedingt mal das video von prof. thornberg angucken. lohnt wirklich!
gruß nach californien
Hallo Jan-Martin,
Schöne Grüsse aus Orange County, California! Ihr würdet die Situation hier nie glauben. Ich habe niemals so viel Häuser zum Verkauf gesehen. Es ist alles sehr ungewöhnlich für OC. Häuser sind in OC immer sehr teuer gewesen, z. B. 3 Kammer, 2.5 Bad um $685K bis $750K! Aber jetzt senken die Preise allmählich. Falls die Federal Reserve Banke Zinsenrate wieder höher gestellt wird, wird die schlechste Rezession der USA seit 1981 nur beschleunigt werdren. Warte nur ab bis September als der Sommer aufhört und Schule fängt wieder an - dann kommt die echte Verzweifelung. Der Immobilien-Industrie in Amerika braucht echte Reform. Die Immobilienmakler sagten ständig: "Vertrau uns - Immobilien geht nur nach oben". Sie wurden bezahlt als es nach oben ging und werden (leider) wieder bezahlt als alle Hausbesitzer Bankrott gehen.
Meiner Meinung nach eine grosse Rezession kommt. Wir können darauf verlassen!
Tschüssi!
es muß wirklich atemberaubend sein.
habe vor ca. 2 jahren das erste mal was über den bubble gelesen und konnte soviele sachen nicht glauben. z.b. die ganzen verrückten finanzierungsformen.
erst nachdem ich das bei 3-4 verschiedenen quellen gelesen habe wurde mir das ganze ausmaß bewußt.
das verrückte war das kurz nachdem ich dann short gegangen bin (hb) die kurse weiter explodierten.
wäre fast wahnsinnig geworden zum glück sind die kurz danach gedreht und dann auch plangemäß abgetaucht.
wirklich unglaublich.
gruß
man muß in scahen medien nur die täglichen berichte auf bens blog antun.
die berichten wenig informativ.
bi svor kurzem wurde in jedem bericht ein makler bzw. neier von der nar zitiert. die haben ein natürliches interesse den markz´t zu hypen.
einziemlich schwaches bild. denke das den medein das mittel bis langfristig übel genommen wird. nicht umsonst gehen auflagen auch bedingt durch das internet zurück, wenn mann daa´nn aber eh keinen mehrwerrt bietet beschleunigt sich das ganze noch dramatisch.
habe in sachen börse den meisten erfolg abseits/entgegengesetzt der herrschenden meinung gehabt. setzte
also fast immer nicht auf die masse sondern oft dagegen.
ist zwar teilweise nervig weíls ich viel zu oft zu früh mit trades am markt bin. muß oft 3-6 monate warten bis sich das auszahlt.
ist aber so das nach allem was ich so zu lesen bekomme ich einfach nicht großartig investments auf der longseite tätigen kann. könnte dann nicht ruhig schlafen.
die nächsten monate und vor allem das jahr 07 und 08 werden extrem spannend und für amerika wohl eher weniger erfolgreich. die anpassung ist aber unausweichlich und längerfristig sicher nicht nachteilig.
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